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Re: About chars and others

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BobbySharks wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:09 am Like I said, I'm no longer creating content for this game when one person can twist their panties into a knot and cry and my work gets taken down. In the future, Tetchi if your idea is made into the system, any editor or person who wants to become a coder, has to start somewhere, but the motivation to become better is CRUSHED when your work is banned because you didn't create the character and code from scratch.

You didn't make Azukina from scratch, you did a lot of hard work to put her in Mugen but you used existing assets didn't you?

So this is the slow death of Mugen, where instead of creating and sharing characters people go around claiming ownership and ruining the spirit.

So go ahead and scold Pexeba, maybe like me he and others will lose interest with Mugen and then you can be the only one around to take credit.
Scold me? Look man, I don't want to fight with anyone, but the only thing I'm doing is posting chars that are lost.

And I ALWAYS, ALWAYS credit the author
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Re: About chars and others

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Tetchi wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:01 pm Good morning, good night, as the case may be.

I have been looking at the content of the site and it is without a doubt a good database of chars and editions that in some cases is material that is offline or somewhat inaccessible, which is a help to fans who are beginning to know about MUGEN but in Hentai/+18 version.

But I have observed that in some cases the information may be more adequate and integrated, in some sections, for example:

https://hentaicharmugen.com/chars/646/azukina

In this char, Tetchi and Miguel84 are set as creators.

When this is not the case, the creator of the char (sprite ripping, animation assembly, sound assembly, sprite encoding and editing to complete the animations required by MUGEN and extra editions, such as compatibility with various aggressors) is solely Tetchi, the placing another person as the creator of the same demerits the work of the creator.

If someone edited a previous work and it is generally known, such work should be respected and the editor of the original version should be placed in a separate section.

Therefore, I suggest, as far as possible and correct use, creating an additional field in the description of the content with the title "Edited by" so we will have the reference of the original author and who edited it and not give it an undeserved credit. the editor since it does not deserve it beyond editing.

I consider this something appropriate and even healthy, to give all creators and editors their respective treatment and respect for their work.

I have also seen other chars but it is the one that I can speak more than 102% because I recreated Azukina from the Final Fuck video game years ago, but it serves as an example, to make this community grow more and that not only the +18 environment is relegated when there is a lot of potential and very good material and sometimes on a par with top creators in the MUGEN field.
Oh, is only you? I've fixed it then.

I saw in the .def file that Teichi and migue84 were the authors.

If you have more chars with wrong information please let me know
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Re: About chars and others

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VinnyBoy wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:04 am Oh, is only you? I've fixed it then.
Thanks for your attention.

If you can create a new field with the name of "Edited by" or if you are able to discuss it with the administration, it could be a great advance to give credits to all those involved for the work that each one has done.

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VinnyBoy wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:04 am If you have more chars with wrong information please let me know
In another situation:

- I can't speak for my friends, but I can at least honor their friendship by suggesting that you please put the addresses of your Site/Blog in the "site" field.

For ATHO's works, his Blog
http://mugenatho.blogspot.com

For the works of Blue Insect, their site (offline) but accessible for posterity and with great material for the community (works that many perhaps do not know).
http://blue7777insect.x.fc2.com/index2.html
http://web.archive.org/web/201805140011 ... ndex2.html

At the moment it is all I have found, if I find something else that could be completed with information, I hope it will be of general interest.


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Re: About chars and others

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Vikal wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:45 am This is a clown fiesta honestly, no wonder japanese bros shit on our "community". I finally realize why they hate us.
Ahem to that lmao!
My, mine! Don't you have lots of questions to asks me bobby.

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In short terms, Gamefreak & Nintendo won't do anything about it, because under the law, its being use fairly, and they are already aware of how many porn exist on their product, copyright character's and Trade marked character's.

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Finally! It's Friday and i have some time to answer about this because there it's a lot disinformation about what happened.

First, about the "creators".
There is not a "creators" field in the site. There is a "Author" field but i already changed it to "Authors" (plural). In that field the uploader should type the creators, editors or coders, etc of the character/stage. When someone clicked on that field, the search form should show all characters/stages related to the name(s) typed in the "Authors" field (if exists).
BUT, remember sometimes users don't know who made a character/stage so they take the authors names from the .def file and if that file has incomplete information, the uploader will fill the fields with the information they have. That's the case of @VinnyBoy, he fill the fields with the information he had.
If someone find incomplete or wrong information or it have fake info, giving credits to someone who didn't make a character/stage, please send me a message (on Twitter) or if you know who uploaded it, just send him a message and tell him about the that. Remember we are humans and we make mistakes but we can fix it. :D

About Bobbysharks opinion
He definitely took the situation personally, but I'm good at ignoring rudeness.
First read my last post in that topic, https://hentaicharmugen-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1229&sid=e0d062ba1f2799c74ebb3b3952e41d74#p1229

His character was not blocked because i prefer "FCharsMaker" version, It was blocked because that was the "agreement" i made with the authors/creators/editors/whatever you name them, when i asked them some years ago, about what they prefer if something like that happened.
The example about "Person A". "Person B". "Person C" it's a perfect example about it. I know that's not a good choice for new authors but that what result of the mini poll i did to decide the rules about uploaded characters/stages. It's not a new rule.

However, that poll was made years ago and maybe just about 10 authors participated. Now HCM is a big site with new authors and i think a new poll is a good idea.

DMCA? That's another level, I'm not going to sue someone for copyright :shock:

If you ask me if i prefer remove or leave online characters with portions of codes/sprites made by others... i prefer a free community as Bobbysharks and others prefer.

Whatever the outcome of this topic i will made a new poll about this, only for authors (creators, editors, coders, sprite makers, etc). If the majority prefers a free community for the site, that's what i'll do about the rules for the HCM site. ;)

" This is a clown fiesta honestly, no wonder japanese bros shit on our "community". I finally realize why they hate us. "
Yes... the way of thinking is different on the other side but this is our site and i'll try to keep those of us here happy.

it's impossible for all of us to agree on something, but I will try to support the majority.

And finally..
I think the "authors" field is enough to add all people who contributed with a character/stage, but if you think a "Edited by" field is really really necessary, ok, maybe i could add it. ;)

I'll create the poll soon, give me some time, I'm drowning in work and personal matters but i'll do asap. :mrgreen:
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"In short terms, Gamefreak & Nintendo won't do anything about it, because under the law, its being use fairly, and they are already aware of how many porn exist on their product, copyright character's and Trade marked character's."

He's only using it fairly until he files a DMCA. At which point he claims ownership of "Umbreon" and then Nintendo's lawyers will get wind of this and sue him until his ass-hole puckers. I 100% dare him to file a DMCA over an Umbreon Mugen character. I can't wait to see what happens. Show me this guy filing a DMCA and winning without Nintendo sledgehammering him and I'll mail you my laptop I'm on, files and all.

Because I can't think of a circumstance where someone claims ownership of a Pokemon (which can be used to claim revenue from merchendise sales) and not be sued by Nintendo. Because that's what a DMCA claim is. Please explain to me how this works. Fair use STOPS at the point he files a DMCA, which only the OWNER of said media has a right to file. Claiming ownership is NOT fair use, it is contesting Nintendo and the other parties rights concerning the media in question, which in this case is Umbreon.

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"Now, DMCA protect contents creator, such as, Artist, programmer, webdesigner, you name it. Now, Mizu created the C.Umbreon character in mugen, he's the creator and owner of that project. He has all the right to do anything DMCA related to that project. If nintendo wishes to see that DMCA, they can, and also send him a DMCA to stop the project. The more you learn~!
Contact a copyright & trademark laywer, and they can give you all the things you can, and cannot do, but its not free by the way, unless your trying to sue someone."

He does NOT own Umbreon. He has NO right to do anything DMCA related to that project. He does NOT own the likeliness, the name, the visual image, or the idea of Umbreon. The only thing he has any rights to is his own coding. Even if he made custom sprites for Umbreon, it's in Umbreon image, and that likeliness is trademarked by NINTENDO not him.

But like I said, this situation is so unbelievable, show it to me and I will ship you my personal laptop. Show me this guy filing a DMCA over Umbreon and Nintendo letting him do it. Please prove me wrong.

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"You might have misread my messaged, because I never mention that, what AJ /HCM did, was a "good choice." Quite the opposite. It was really clear to everyone, AJ action was in fact preferences."

I'm glad we agree on that. But AJ is the deciding factor in this case as he is running this website. And he has prefences. So why would a content creator be willing to upload here when we all know the person running it AJ is a bitch?

This whole post is made by Tetchi concerning the issue of giving credit where credit is due. Which by itself I AGREE WITH! I don't like it when people upload other people's work and put themselves as the creator. That's plagarizing, claiming other's work as your own.

But because of AJ being a piece of shit, users like FutaCharMaker can report your work and claim it as THEIRS, and ignore the work, sprites, coding, and effort you put into it.

What's the difference between someone uploading a character and not crediting the real author and put themselves (Tetchi's concern), and a REAL content creator uploads a character they DID work on, and they DO credit the OTHER authors, and yet someone comes along, one of the people theey CREDIT, and they claim the work is 100% theirs (My concern).

In both cases ownership is at stake, but in one case, the community is still getting content, but in the other case, bitches like AJ are actively removing and censoring content and they are acting like they get to decide who gets to upload and who doesn't.

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"FCM has no rights to do a takedown towards your version, even if someone else edit his work. If FCM is bitching about it, than he shouldn't have uploaded to the internet. This also include Patreon (*coughs* paywall *coughs*)

Like a very good example that made him got angry, because someone edited his shemale / "futa" version.
Remove the dick and balls
Exchange those male gender into a female
Now, is a "dom female"
Same code, but edited sprites
As long as remembered... mugen is an open source program, and any character created in it, can be modify to their liking; even if the owner doesn't like it. Like the old saying goes~!

"If you don't want anyone to do anything with what you did. Then you shouldn't had upload it from the very beginning.""

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Correct, FutaCharMaker, CiroRawse, is a shrivel dick parasite. He uses Gettag's work, G-Bit's work, Moko Moko's work, and uses other people's work as bases for him to put his code into. And his newer codes are worse than his older ones. His newwer Futa's have less positions and fewer compatability, and the whole struggle system is stupid since it takes control away from the agressor. He bloated down his code with dozens of stupid ass useless as shit features and removed mechanics that made his work good to begin with.

His "Futanahri" code was by his own admission modified code from the likes of J.Tailbane, Baomaru, and Kuromaru. His own "code" is modified form of other people's code. Even his own custom sprites that he makes aren't that good, I make better sprites than he does and I animate more smoothly than he does.

He is a hypocrit, he does the same things that he cries about other people doing. He wants recognition and respect yet the quality of his work doesn't reflect deserving either, nor does his behavior. He also charges money for his work, and is always late on releasing his characters to the public. Months late for many characters. I could tell you all of his public release characters that were 1 week- 2 months late.

His victim Squiggly bottom edit was supposed to be released publically Feb 28 by his own words on his Twitter. That's 54 days and he hasn't released a character that is behind a paywall. I garuntee you that's a Squiggly edit not even worth the space on your computer it takes up. I garuntee you I can provide a better Squiggly bottom edit, for free, on time than CiroRawse.

However, even though he has NO RIGHTS to do a take down of my work, because AJ is running this site, AJ can chose to do it on FutaCharMaker's behalf. And that makes AJ a cum guzzling bitch. AJ has become a true super villain to the Mugen community.

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"Now, I personality asked Mizu on his opinion related to his project, being uploaded on some website, including being misused.

Conversation Images:"

1. Me and Mizulugu feel the same. If someone did that, they are scum. I don't care so much about people crediting me. I just prefer THEY don't claim to be the creator, like if someone just uploads my work that's fine. But if someone uploads my work and says they made it, that's a problem. I'd like if it people upload my work and credit me, but it's ok to just share my work. But don't say you made it. So far on the same page.

2. I've spoken with CiroRawse in private before. If he is going to claim my work as his, he's already being too disrespectful. There is no point in me trying to talk to me, because he already knows he is wrong. He already knows that I didn't re upload his character, that I upload a character I edit and add code and sprites to. He is a cry baby but he is not stupid. He knows he is wrong and I will not waste my time trying to reason with him. Besides, the problem is not with the author asking work to be taken down. The problem is with the site that complies to such request and take preference.

3. Goodluck. I would like to see him try. Not to be mean. But just to see him realize how foolish he is to think he can take legal action against an admin uploading porn content to a website involving copywritten Nintendo characters. *Shrug* Go for it. I won't hold him back. I wish him luck. Who knows right? Maybe a miracle will happen. Maybe Nintendo will give away the rights to Umbreon to Mizulugu.

He fails to realize, if what he thinks is true, then Shana can DMCA him for his version of Umbreon which is taken from and inspired from Shana's work. If he can claim code, and sprites/idea, than so can Shana. If he THINKS he can DMCA others, than if that is true his work is also taken down as it belongs to Shana. Mizulugu does not seem to understand how the law works. He seems ignorant of knowledge.

4. Mizulugu seems like a generally good guy. I wish him the best of luck, and appreciate all the works he's shared with the Mugen community. Tell him I said hello for me. Just some random guy in Mugen said hello.

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"He definitely took the situation personally, but I'm good at ignoring rudeness.
First read my last post in that topic, viewtopic.php?p=1229&sid=e0d062ba1f2799 ... 1d74#p1229"

I was told the work I made belong to someone else, so yes, I will take that personally. I do not steal or plagarize other people work so when you say I do I take that personally. And I already read that post, you dumn faggot bastard. I replied to it, I guess you ignored that too? viewtopic.php?p=1230&sid=602ba3991220c7 ... 4550#p1230


"His character was not blocked because i prefer "FCharsMaker" version, It was blocked because that was the "agreement" i made with the authors/creators/editors/whatever you name them, when i asked them some years ago, about what they prefer if something like that happened.
The example about "Person A". "Person B". "Person C" it's a perfect example about it. I know that's not a good choice for new authors but that what result of the mini poll i did to decide the rules about uploaded characters/stages. It's not a new rule."


It wasn't HIS character you god damn stupid retard. It was MY CHARACTER. I worked on it, I added MY code, and MY sprites to it. And me and you MADE NO SUCH AGREEMENT. You made that agreement with FutaCharMaker. NOT WITH ME. I did NOT agree to that. You are a piece of shit.


"However, that poll was made years ago and maybe just about 10 authors participated. Now HCM is a big site with new authors and i think a new poll is a good idea."


What you did was wrong, you cannot hide behind you following the results of a poll to justify your actions. You are a shitstain degenerate lord of a motherless fuck. You had no right under any circumstances what so ever to block my upload.


"DMCA? That's another level, I'm not going to sue someone for copyright :shock:

If you ask me if i prefer remove or leave online characters with portions of codes/sprites made by others... i prefer a free community as Bobbysharks and others prefer."


You say that, YET YOU BLOCKED MY WORK. How the fuck can you say you prefer a free community as I want, yet you are the dick-sucker pussy face bitch that removed my work in the FIRST PLACE. You are a cunt AJ. Your mother gave birth to a pile of shit. You are living feces with organs.


"Whatever the outcome of this topic i will made a new poll about this, only for authors (creators, editors, coders, sprite makers, etc). If the majority prefers a free community for the site, that's what i'll do about the rules for the HCM site. ;)"


Kill yourself AJ.


"" This is a clown fiesta honestly, no wonder japanese bros shit on our "community". I finally realize why they hate us. "
Yes... the way of thinking is different on the other side but this is our site and i'll try to keep those of us here happy."


Do I seem happy to you.


"it's impossible for all of us to agree on something, but I will try to support the majority."


Apologize to me.


"And finally..
I think the "authors" field is enough to add all people who contributed with a character/stage, but if you think a "Edited by" field is really really necessary, ok, maybe i could add it. ;)

I'll create the poll soon, give me some time, I'm drowning in work and personal matters but i'll do asap. :mrgreen:"


That's a great idea. Why don't you just go and fucking drown yourself AJ.
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Mogotke wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:52 pm
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Yes, if you have the time lol

@bobby
To avoid a big copy and paste with cut-scenes. I tried my best to resolve/written it as short as possible.
DMCA - is for take down purposes. Yes, you can also used the services of suing, but Mizu ain't using it.
So I must asks.. will you be giving , or buying a brand new laptop to both me and Mizu if Mizulugu ever does a DMCA, or would you give us a
Window 95 / XP Laptop -pensive face-

if DMCA was used only for suing, you know how many Twitcher / youtuber, and other platform will get sued for using other
clips, images, and video? Quite a lot~!

"Stop and deceased letter" is the part that someone is about to get sued if they don't stop on what they are doing. Like... If I was
selling my product of Umbreon to the world. Everyone knows Umby is copyrighted to game-freak/Nintendo (GF/N), and if I don't have a
sub-license(or a written permission seal of GF/N) to sell that character. I can get sued by then, but if I have it. I can sell anything without any worry.
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If this is the road you wanna go down then show me the DMCA and then tell me where you want me to ship my laptop UL.
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