Topic about Shutting HCM

[MadgearVSShadaloo]

I apologize for coming off as that. Like I know there is Loli, Shota, Futa etc for that and everyone has their thing that they get off to, and I would rather not throw the word pedophile at someone like MvS who I don't know nor have enough information on, especially if they aren't intending to be.

Its prettty simple to not throw the word ' pedophile ' at people , by simply not manifesting and writing the word , yet you did , i find it hard to suppose it is not intentional.

" especially if they aren't intending to be. "

There is no " accidental pedophilia " , the work is entierly and obviously fictional and thus coudn't be pedophilia , no children are involved at any point, neither in the creative process nor on the end consumer side.

"To MvS: The 18+ policing thing is more so how far you want to take it. "

There is a floor of ' Is there adult content ? " if yes you have to age-gate it so minors cant acces , so if any HMUGEN discord the whole server should be 18+
Anything extra is good if you have the energy and mods to spare but there is a solid reasonnable minimum requierment, wich has nothing to do with Lolisho

""The reason why I brought up no Lolisho was actually due to recent events like this: https://piunikaweb.com/2026/05/01/uk-vt ... -2009-law/ ""

Neither Discord, me or HMUGEN is brittish , so irrational British lawmaking are irrelevant.
If you know them you can reference Discord Tos/ user agrements but otherwise you'r just singleing out lolisho for no reasons.

[UmbreonLover]

I apologize for coming off as that. Like I know there is Loli, Shota, Futa etc for that and everyone has their thing that they get off to, and I would rather not throw the word pedophile at someone like MvS who I don't know nor have enough information on, especially if they aren't intending to be.

Its perfectly fine, and mistake happens, and concerning matters too.

Thank you for your concern about UK online safety, where most website just
simply ban the connection of anyone that comes from UK due to being a
complete boomer about technology, and the government that don't even know
about "parent control", "filters", or "What's is a computer" (Trying to add
it inside an operating system). If UK tries to enforce their laws in here,
we will refused and block every connection from UK, and I'm sure the smart
people in UK will knows how to bypass the work around.

Personality, I wouldn't invade someone private life by asking them for
their Gov. ID just to verified if they're old enough to access adult content.
Not only do I have to ask for it, but I also have to be bookkeeping it for
about a year or two from what I read about business/website operations
for "age verification". It would be completely different if its in person, just
like if you were going to buy anything that need supervision ("you need to
be at least 18 years or older to use this product). Just a quick look and
you have what you wanted.

The reason why I brought up no Lolisho was actually due to recent events like this:

• https://piunikaweb.com/2026/05/01/uk-vt ... -2009-law/

Which I don't even agree shouldn't have happened. Speaking from an objective point, usually things like this set a precedent. They'll (Discord, X/Twitter, heck even YT) allow everything you think of, but when it comes to Loli content, despite countries blocking said content, it's still probably the biggest risk out there. It's why I brought up the the no lolishow earlier - you can at least comply with the bare minimum if that makes sense, and that's probably why you thought I was misinformating - I promise I'm not speaking out of my ass.

Just like many people say, even in the article... You need to take it as a grain of salt.
Many people are having mix feeling towards that post due to some people
saying its all fake, she doesn't do vTuber, or other things related to that. It
can be rage-bait to go against UK, or bait to support her work more often.

Here's a fun fact related something close to Loli/Shota, but in furry content instead.
Humanoid Furry, some people considered them to be Zoophilia / Bestiality
no matter the content. If its Furry with Furry, or furry with human. Same goes with
Anthro (humanoid feature Animal) with Feral (Animal form / semi-anthro animal form)
is "still consider to be Zoophilia / Bestiality" when their are not. What is
Zoophilia / Bestiality is when a Feral goes against a human.

I bring all of this up because I recognize that 18+ Mugen is something you all care about. Whether you want to keep it lowkey or being open to the public is up to you, whether that be using already existing sources or making new ones. You all put a lot of time into this and no one wants to see it die again. But, people will be looking for sources. Based off what I'm seeing, pretty much all the moderators here are some of the main point of contacts/leaders of the not just the forum, but 18+ mugen as a whole (you are one of the first searches to pop up and it's pretty easy to make an account to reach you) by default. Depending on what you decide to do, there are going to be some constraints you'll have to adhere to. I was just wanting to point these things out, especially because what you can do is pretty actionable without necessarily needing to spend a lot of money, if any and doesn't take operating a website. It's not all doom and gloom.

Again, I apologize for coming off as an asshole.

No problem at all, thank you for pointing things out even if went to OVER 9000!!!
lol but seriously, is alright, and apologize accepted. There's lots of stuff you need to do
to have a website up and running successfully, even if its a fan base site, or for your
personal reasons. I even try searching my username online.... and well? Very interesting
I "appear" in many porn site and lots of pokemon base forums, but nothing related to
mugen lol I'm not too surprised since I'm not a creator or an editor, and the things I edit
are only for my personal reasons, and nothing "WOW" to share with others

[Tetchi]

Creating a functional online presence (website), considering the often overlooked legal aspects and repercussions, is not easy, especially if you want to maintain it indefinitely. Furthermore, the type of content in this case touches on many fronts, but there is a solution, although it may take longer than usual to get everything working smoothly.

[MadgearVSShadaloo]

Umbreon you might be new to moderation or bad actors forum tactics but it was not a genuine apology from Throwaway20XV

Hence the " i woudn't want to say pedophile '' (no mention of the word appeared beforehand, that was a way to call me that while saying ' i didn't say that ' ) or the '' coud be unintentional '' wich imply it absolutely IS pedophilia but the intent might be in question.

The fake concerns are kinda obvious through the presented information : " I know you do a lot for 18+ Mugen "
followed by " I would rather not throw the word pedophile at someone like MvS who I don't know nor have enough information on ""
Either you do have enough information or you dont , probably the former since Throwaway20XV mentionnedd me in this topic unprompted in the first place.

Its basically throwing shade at lolisho under the guise of giving basic advice , you can also note the apology is not for the attacked party (me) or an admission it was wrong to single-out this particular HMUGEN subtype , but, instead a '' What i meant didn't came up the right way " , there was no part of the apology for me instead said apology message is an opportunity to call me a pedo . Its somewhat quality ragebait since it worked and prompted a reaction from me.

"Last part was not needed"
Me telling him to have sex with a Cactus is a way to remain polite and use correct language, the alternative being me telling him to
" Please consider killing himself at the earliest convenience "
Because it is what i mean and feel when receiving his unasked opinion on the medium coupled with his missinformation concerning law and moderation
There was an infinite amount of ways to mention both Lolisho and the risks without involving me in any way and choosing to still do so can only be intentional.

[UmbreonLover]

Umbreon you might be new to moderation or bad actors forum tactics but it was not a genuine apology from Throwaway20XV

Hence the " i woudn't want to say pedophile '' (no mention of the word appeared beforehand, that was a way to call me that while saying ' i didn't say that ' ) or the '' coud be unintentional '' wich imply it absolutely IS pedophilia but the intent might be in question.

The fake concerns are kinda obvious through the presented information : " I know you do a lot for 18+ Mugen "
followed by " I would rather not throw the word pedophile at someone like MvS who I don't know nor have enough information on ""
Either you do have enough information or you dont , probably the former since Throwaway20XV mentionnedd me in this topic unprompted in the first place.

Its basically throwing shade at lolisho under the guise of giving basic advice , you can also note the apology is not for the attacked party (me) or an admission it was wrong to single-out this particular HMUGEN subtype , but, instead a '' What i meant didn't came up the right way " , there was no part of the apology for me instead said apology message is an opportunity to call me a pedo . Its somewhat quality ragebait since it worked and prompted a reaction from me.

"Last part was not needed"
Me telling him to have sex with a Cactus is a way to remain polite and use correct language, the alternative being me telling him to
" Please consider killing himself at the earliest convenience "
Because it is what i mean and feel when receiving his unasked opinion on the medium coupled with his missinformation concerning law and moderation
There was an infinite amount of ways to mention both Lolisho and the risks without involving me in any way and choosing to still do so can only be intentional.

I'm not new to moderation, and if I were to follow the rule at full max. Both would have been banned, or if I were a bad actor, I would have banned you without any appeal just because I'm not into it. After all, mods have the final word.

I was going to simply edit the throwaway post, but since both parties read it. I couldn't simply delete it or modify it to sound a little more "formal".


Speaking of "formal", not many people know how to express their words or the ways to type certain words for them not to sound too harsh on the person. Harsh, as in rude, asshole, offending, or simply trolling the person. In addition to the internet number 1 rule. Don't take everything into heart.

"What do you mean by that?"

It means don't take everything personal, or get offended too easily by something that is written or mentioned about yourself. I understand that the message sounds like he's calling you a pedophile, but the whole message isn't fully insulting you, or excusing you to be one.

Just imagine if all the CEO get offended by calling them trash, useless, kill yourself, pedo, or a gold-digger. Each and everyone of them would get banned, social media would become chaos, no more Twitter, no more Facebook, and especially no more Discord. Why are none of them dead? Because none of them will take it into heart. Trolls love it if you fall victim into it. Its also known as feeding to the trolls

In case you never saw my message MvS, pointing out to throw what he did wrong. Here's a fresh copy and paste of my message.

But in the end? what you're doing right now is:

• kink shaming
• Judging
• Mocking
• Stigmatizing

for their sexual fetish/kink, and in case you ask or say things. No, I'm not into Loli or Shota.

Just cause I'm not into those things, doesn't mean I didn't defend you, because you can clearly see I did right here, and "bad actors" mod would have went with the flow and banned you right on the spot. Its completely fine to get angry about a topic like this, especially out of the blue, but no one in this forum is adding fuels. So, a simple warning to throw was good enough because he didn't meant to insult you about liking loli/shota content. I also corrected him about some laws related to that.

So, Did I banned you? Nope~!
Did I did something about it? Yes

So, that last part was not needed, because not everyone will take it as a joke, or as a "polite way to use the correct language".

Throwaway20XV still gave his apologies about the message he posted, and not everyone would be willing to apologies for a subject like this. In most cases, people would have continue to flame it, farming the seeds in every little bit they can for the other party to be angry, or break the will on the person who's falling for it.

So, MvS, if you wished to continue about this topic that should have ended by now. Please enlighten me on a DM/PM

[MadgearVSShadaloo]

Speaking of "formal", not many people know how to express their words or the ways to type certain words for them not to sound too harsh on the person.

I want to sound 'harsh' to the person , random 10 post account manifesting to randomly attack me , but yet i made the effort to do so in an amusing way without using any actual slur.

In case you never saw my message MvS, pointing out to throw what he did wrong. Here's a fresh copy and paste of my message.

I saw that, the message was perfect , issue is the fake apology where its insinuated i'm a pedo arrived AFTER IT .
basically apologising to you while dunking on me

Throwaway20XV still gave his apologies about the message he posted, and not everyone would be willing to apologies for a subject like this. In most cases, people would have continue to flame it,

There is no part where it is an apology to me ; " and I would rather not throw the word pedophile at someone like MvS " is litterally the second line in that 'apology message'

You got tricked by the form of the fake apology, i have issue with the content.
but if you want to remove the whole chain of both me and Throwaway20XV messages go ahead i rather not be indirectly called a pedo by a throwaway account (its in the name ). than just have my answer 'nerfed' .

EDIT : looking back throwaway also has a whole segment dunking on Pow-pink (dggsa) so it definitly was not random it was personal and a follow-up on previous AK1 drama he was part of. Just using this as an opportunity to bring it back.
y'all can dunk on Pow how much you want ,but, she's the only reason we do have an usable adult mugen place in 18 days.

[Throwaway20XV]

Doubling down on my apology to MvS for indirectly calling them a pedophile - a lot of that was a combination of:

1. Me reacting to seeing a character from one of my favorite anime (Dragon Ball), which ironically had lewd minor jokes as soon as the first few episodes/Manga Chapters actually lewded even further - which really hit all the wrong things for me.
2. Me lashing out from news - mostly relating to Politics. I'm located in the U.S and I think by now most people are aware of the Epstein Files (on top of just having a shitty leader and administration that's affecting everyone both inside and outside the U.S)
3. Me getting burned by one of the old abandoned JP Mugen sites people called out for having CP - I was translating the forum posts trying to avoid those files and I one of them I thought was a character ended up being CP. I ended up reporting that site to both U.S and JP hotlines.

I am truly sorry. I promise this wasn't me trying to start shit for no reason. Just got really ticked off and I'll keep in mind what Umbreon said.

Regarding AK1: It wasn't me who was involved in the drama personally but I saw in passing on Reddit on their HentaiMugen sub; I want to say it was the same Viket here who brought this up: ; if you aren't the same I apologize. I should've linked it when I mentioned said drama but this was the only bad thing I saw. To add to that, I brought up the owner being a woman not as a form of misogyny but to highlight that there are people of different genders who do in fact host content of all kinds although I guess no one really cares as long as someone is hosting something. In fact some of the best content creators for NSFW are women so I doubt anyone really cares - me being extra.

The UK drama wasn't exactly the best example in regards to compliance, although I do appreciate Umbreon's response. A better one would be the MasterCard/Visa situation where sites were nuking NSFW games or anything almost midly suggestive. For the most part, the damage has kinda? Been repaired but that goes into my schpeel about compliance and what not - almost everyone across the world got hit; Steam, Itch.io, etc and while I know most contributors for 18+ Mugen use Patreon or subscriber star for any paid content, it's one of those things where if we were to go into that direction or host anything on those platforms even for free, we'd have to watch out for what's posted (which connects to my point earlier about politics because there were reports about connections between the U.S, UK, and Australia in regards to the matter). I did see Tetchi say something was already in progress.

[Throwaway20XV]

Doubling down on my apology to MvS for indirectly calling them a pedophile - a lot of that was a combination of:

1. Me reacting to seeing a character from one of my favorite anime (Dragon Ball), which ironically had lewd minor jokes as soon as the first few episodes/Manga Chapters actually lewded even further - which really hit all the wrong things for me.
2. Me lashing out from news - mostly relating to Politics. I'm located in the U.S and I think by now most people are aware of the Epstein Files (on top of just having a shitty leader and administration that's affecting everyone both inside and outside the U.S)
3. Me getting burned by one of the old abandoned JP Mugen sites people called out for having CP - I was translating the forum posts trying to avoid those files and I one of them I thought was a character ended up being CP. I ended up reporting that site to both U.S and JP hotlines.

I am truly sorry. I promise this wasn't me trying to start shit for no reason. Just got really ticked off and I'll keep in mind what Umbreon said.

Regarding AK1: It wasn't me who was involved in the drama personally but I saw in passing on Reddit on their HentaiMugen sub; I want to say it was the same Viket here who brought this up: ; if you aren't the same I apologize. I should've linked it when I mentioned said drama but this was the only bad thing I saw in regards to the owner themselves which I deemed as a small issue. To add to that, I brought up the owner being a woman not as a form of misogyny but to highlight that there are people of different genders who do in fact host content of all kinds although I guess no one really cares as long as someone is hosting something. In fact some of the best content creators for NSFW are women so I doubt anyone really cares - me being extra.

The UK drama wasn't exactly the best example in regards to compliance, although I do appreciate Umbreon's response. A better one would be the MasterCard/Visa situation where sites were nuking NSFW games or anything almost midly suggestive. For the most part, the damage has kinda? Been repaired but that goes into my schpeel about compliance and what not - almost everyone across the world got hit; Steam, Itch.io, etc and while I know most contributors for 18+ Mugen use Patreon or subscriber star for any paid content, it's one of those things where if we were to go into that direction or host anything on those platforms even for free, we'd have to watch out for what's posted (which connects to my point earlier about politics because there were reports about connections between the U.S, UK, and Australia in regards to the matter). I did see Tetchi say something was already in progress.