Mature XIII

[dgsgqa]

no, i mean about the suggestion you made:

"For me the fact that there has to be an interview with a mod is what makes it excessive, I prefer automated processes, since you're a mod here. What are the rules for uploading in the characters section? Could we just upload their backlog?"

i have no problem with the links being shared here, i just dont want all the files from ak1 to be reposted here, as some are from authors who do not like their work reposted

[ninjasamuri]

i have no problem with the links being shared here, i just dont want all the files from ak1 to be reposted here, as some are from authors who do not like their work reposted

Isn't that up to the individual authors? How much of Ak1 stuff is even original compared to how much is just archived/3rd party posts?
To clarify we could have a list of authors who don't want their stuff reposted to avoid? the reason I ask is because after Ryona went down and even Mugen Archive got rid of all aggressors it had, I think we need back ups, so if we could do that as much as possible without going against the authors that don't want it, that would be best

[UmbreonLover]

To clarify we could have a list of authors who don't want their stuff reposted to avoid? the reason I ask is because after Ryona went down and even Mugen Archive got rid of all aggressors it had, I think we need back ups, so if we could do that as much as possible without going against the authors that don't want it, that would be best

Would be hard to do, since many can classified themselves as "creator" with little to no effort,
and since mugen is an open-project (open-source) anyone can claim the work of someone else
even if they did nothing to it. Which is why many decided not share their work with just anyone,
and some are just exclusive to services ( Such as Discord Only, Friends, Supporters Only, and paywall).

With all that in mind, updating a huge list of people preferences wouldn't be easy. Which is why
you can't find a listing on who shareable or who's isn't, and asking around wouldn't kill either.

Each site has their own rules, just like some people have strict rules in sharing their content. I can't
voice everyone decision, but most of them are just to protect their content. You're free to start
creating the list of people, but I can promise you. It won't be easy to maintain it.

How much of Ak1, Ryona, Mugen Archive, Patreon, Discord Only, Private, and
SubscribeStar stuff is even original

I'll say like about 5 - 10% are original and 90% are edited from an original character.
Very rare you'll find someone who creates everything from the ground up.

[ninjasamuri]

To clarify we could have a list of authors who don't want their stuff reposted to avoid? the reason I ask is because after Ryona went down and even Mugen Archive got rid of all aggressors it had, I think we need back ups, so if we could do that as much as possible without going against the authors that don't want it, that would be best

I'll say like about 5 - 10% are original and 90% are edited from an original character.
Very rare you'll find someone who creates everything from the ground up.

No I get that, I'm here so I know how the MUGEN community works, what I mean is how much uploaded on those sites is even an edit by the uploader/a proxy for the editor, Even the patron saint of Warehousing MUGEN archive does have 1) New Characters from scratch uploaded by the authors themselves and 2) comprehensive (and slight) edits uploaded by the editor. What I mean is how much of the uploads on those sites can even be described as that, clearly the active Discords and SubscribeStars of authors/editors are 1) off limits and 2) what I mostly mean by "original" (on top of that SubscribeStar authors/editors already upload here anyway, are there even any SubscribeStar authors that make this sort of content that don't already do their public releases here anyway?) but MUGEN Archive, is mostly... an archive of files uploaded elsewhere.

Obviously when we talk about this we mean the specific 18+ edits, exclusives/paywalls are an obvious no go zone, next to that is 18+ edits where the 18+ editor themselves doesn't want the edit shared, but aside from that what would be the issue of uploading the rest?
It's not like someone who shared a file they didn't even edit that they got from a different site awhile ago has any say

[Tetchi]

Regardless of whether an edit has authorization from the original creator or not, the fundamental principle is to respect the explicit request of the person asking that it not be shared. We cannot place ourselves in the role of deciding who deserves respect and who does not, because we lack full knowledge of the origins and circumstances of each file. Even if it seems evident that it is an edit, the absence of authorization requires us to act with caution: if someone asks that it not be distributed, the right thing to do is to comply.

[ninjasamuri]

Even if it seems evident that it is an edit, the absence of authorization requires us to act with caution: if someone asks that it not be distributed, the right thing to do is to comply.

Again editing a file is changing it, that's not what I'm asking about, I'm asking about Files that are obviously second/third hand uploads

[Tetchi]

Again editing a file is changing it, that's not what I'm asking about, I'm asking about Files that are obviously second/third hand uploads

"I understand the distinction you're making between edits and second/third-hand uploads. However, the core issue remains the same: whether it's an edit or a reupload, if the person responsible for the content or the forum administration requests that it not be shared, the respectful course of action is to comply. The community works best when we honor those boundaries, even if the file itself seems widely circulated or not directly edited.

[UmbreonLover]

Gotta love when I'm so focus writing this long message, and a conversation is happening without my knowledge lol.

But in short, if you make the edit, and the edit is different from the original. You're perfectly fine to share it, but if the character is designed as
"paywall/supporters/Exclusive only" even when you edited. Its still not allowed in most places, which is why I said early. It falls in the grey
zone. Context is needed to defend yourself against someone who claim you ( rob it / post it ) without their consent. I'm human, your human, and everyone is free to create whatever they want, and edit whatever they please. Just a reminder, just don't do things you don't regret later on.

Optional if you wished to read it, since I wasted too much time lol

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No I get that, I'm here so I know how the MUGEN community works, what I mean is how much uploaded on those sites is even an edit by the uploader/a proxy for the editor, Even the patron saint of Warehousing MUGEN archive does have 1) New Characters from scratch uploaded by the authors themselves and 2) comprehensive (and slight) edits uploaded by the editor. What I mean is how much of the uploads on those sites can even be described as that, clearly the active Discords and SubscribeStars of authors/editors are 1) off limits and 2) what I mostly mean by "original" (on top of that SubscribeStar authors/editors already upload here anyway, are there even any SubscribeStar authors that make this sort of content that don't already do their public releases here anyway?) but MUGEN Archive, is mostly... an archive of files uploaded elsewhere.

Obviously when we talk about this we mean the specific 18+ edits, exclusives/paywalls are an obvious no go zone, next to that is 18+ edits where the 18+ editor themselves doesn't want the edit shared, but aside from that what would be the issue of uploading the rest?
It's not like someone who shared a file they didn't even edit that they got from a different site awhile ago has any say

On many sites, not just Mugen Archive, you can find many edits of the same character.

If they're original or playing original with some features removed, this includes changing their behavior.

A very good example would be Kuromaru. How many Kuros are there? And how many of them behave or act almost the same as the original? Too many to count, yes? Now, imagine uploading hundreds of the same Kuro with almost no changes or with little to no features added/removed. A nightmare, I must say.

So, the Editor/Creator made a choice to set it off as "private" or "exclusive only" to prevent a nightmare edits of the same character, making it "unique" in their own perspective. Some prefer not to be shared, while a few are alright if you share it with friends only. Once an editor/creator finds out someone stabbed/betrayed them. They would try to contact the admin to request a (takedown/removal) and perhaps ban the person who uploaded their edit.

And let's be honest here... I haven't met or encountered someone who went on their merry way to add a description to certain edits/creations. Very few do, and those that do are usually creators, not editors.

Yes, there are some SubscribeStar creators who only post videos of their work, but they won't share files of their work. Some share files with supporters only and very little post their work publicly, and usually it's always an outdated version.

Again, I can't speak on behalf of everyone's decision, and everyone has their own opinion and their own strict rules. Here's a real-life example related to your question, and I'm sure 99% of people don't allow this.

"I have my house doors open for anyone to enter. They are free to use the bathroom, or grab any food they wish to eat. If they're tired, they're free to sleep on the sofa or in my bed. They can watch movies, play games, and do anything in the house as long as they don't steal or attempt to claim it as their own. If they choose to sleep on the bed, and I'm feeling frisky, I will have my way against them, and there are no buts, no escape, and especially no opinion of abandoning it."

Now, since "I'm doing this in real life", you should too!. Why are people refusing to share their belongings? It's not like I'm claiming it as my own, and going back to my house is too much work, and why should I? If I'm here obtaining free things, why bother to go to my house when this person's location is closer to the stuff I want